Current BSA Policy Vs local option poll

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Current BSA Policy Vs local option poll

02-06-2013

I am just wondering how most people on scouter would vote on the current hot topic of the day. So here goes if you could vote to decide if BSA policy would change or stay the same how would you vote? You only have two choice for the current policy or for the local option.

140 Votes

Current Policy	32.14%	45 votes
Local Option	67.86%	95 votes

MichScouter

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#2

02-06-2013, 04:59 PM

I am a little supprise by the result so far out of 20 votes 15 for the local option. I was thinking it would be closer to 50/50. I guess it is still early.
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MattR

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#3

02-06-2013, 05:12 PM

I think you need to login before you can vote.
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Trevorum

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#4

02-06-2013, 05:33 PM

Cool. I like the new software!
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packsaddle

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#5

02-06-2013, 06:12 PM

Not too many years ago, I suspect the result would have been the opposite with a vast majority in favor of the current policy.
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Eagle92

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#6

02-06-2013, 06:26 PM

I still remember the first time I read about the New Orleans troop that was started with the express purpose of mollesting kids in the 1970s. Better safe than sorry.
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- DeanRx commented
  
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  03-13-2013, 01:53 AM
  
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  And that piece of 40 year old history has WHAT to do with homosexuality? Hard to have a discussion with someone who can not differentiate between pedophilia and homosexuality.... Sheesh !!!

mozartbrau

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#7

02-06-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by MichScouter

I am a little supprise by the result so far out of 20 votes 15 for the local option. I was thinking it would be closer to 50/50. I guess it is still early.

It is an internet poll on a discussion list. Tons of ways this could be manipulated either way. Just takes someone with some time on their hands. Now, if there was a way to lock down by IP address so that only one vote per IP address you might have a different story. But who knows.
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- packsaddle commented
  
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  02-06-2013, 07:06 PM
  
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  Love the avatar!

AZMike

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#8

02-06-2013, 06:51 PM

WOW! A whopping 70.27% of those polled favor the change! The Winds of Change are a' blowin, and the Times, They are a changin'!

Wait a minute...that's out of 37 voters....?
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MichScouter

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#9

02-06-2013, 09:10 PM

72% for the new policy with 43 vote so far.
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ghjim

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#10

02-06-2013, 09:15 PM

Interesting poll here, but I have to say not very scientific. I am far more interested how the councils are voting, and if that information will every be published/released.
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ScoutBox

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#11

02-07-2013, 04:42 AM

I have to add, that although I support the Local Policy. I worry that Local Units will go too far and start making up their own rules. I've seen this in action already, and it becomes a watered down BSA.
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qwazse

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#12

02-07-2013, 05:48 AM

You omitted a third option. A national policy that requires units to present homosexuality as an example of morally straight to all of our you.
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- Spiney Norman commented
  
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  02-07-2013, 08:14 AM
  
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  I'm not sure if you're serious about that statement but good job pushing something to a ridiculous conclusion.
- Kristian commented
  
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  02-07-2013, 07:04 PM
  
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  i would support that policy
- WAKWIB commented
  
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  02-08-2013, 01:46 PM
  
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  Not a ridiculous statement at all. I've read at least a dozen articles on this topic in the last two weeks and full inclusion in ALLof BSA is exactly what ALL the LGBTQ activist groups want. They absolutely despise the "local option."

AZMike

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#13

02-07-2013, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by ScoutBox

I have to add, that although I support the Local Policy. I worry that Local Units will go too far and start making up their own rules. I've seen this in action already, and it becomes a watered down BSA.

In what ways, ScoutBox?
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MichScouter

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#14

02-07-2013, 08:07 AM

Just to check how the poll works it appears that it will let each user name vote once. I tried to vote second time to see and it gave me an error saying please select an option first. I tried about three time so as far as I can tell you can only vote once per user name. I guess you could create mutiple accounts but why would you?
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MattR

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#15

02-07-2013, 03:15 PM

The 70% in favor of a local option here matches that of the polled number from the councils. With 70 samples here and 294 council samples (364 total), and 1,039,825 adults in the bsa (from wikipedia), the margin of error is just over 5%. This assumes the poll is random. Still, this is a surprising number to me.

Maybe the silver lining of the way this has been handled is that it will start the conversation within the boy scouts. That could make 16 weeks waiting a good thing in the long term.
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- MattR commented
  
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  02-07-2013, 04:03 PM
  
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  MomToEli, I saw it in the "So, does this change the discussion?" thread from Lodge 489 on page 2.
- Huzzar commented
  
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  02-08-2013, 11:28 AM
  
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  Assuming the 70/30 split is correct, can BSA afford 30% of membership to walk? In one of the other threads that was the percentage lost by Scouting in Canada when they changed.
- moosetracker commented
  
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  03-09-2013, 03:11 AM
  
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  who says all who vote a preference for the policy to remain the same will walk, Huzzar?.. That's like saying that the 70% (currently 67%) who vote in favor of the local option will walk if the BSA vote to keep the policy unchanged.. So if that is correct, then I ask you Huzzar, can BSA afford 67% of it's membership to walk?

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