I'm hoping the COR will support the current leadership and stand solid with you and the other leaders. The concerned parent is always free to make their own decision. But regardless, please keep us informed as to how this all plays out for you.

It's the COR's call. Presumably, she signed the Adult Leader Application and in doing so contacted the references. If the parent is tight with your CO, it may be a losing battle, and just get ready to mass exodus in place. No Cub Scout is going to question why they're suddenly meeting at a different church, or why another scout didn't make the move, too.

I would encourage you to hang in there during this difficult time. This too shall pass. When the gay ban is removed, which is inevitable, then the extremists will hopefully carry out there threat and leave the BSA . Let us know what the COR decides.

Your post from earlier in the morning can be viewed by selecting the 'Latest Activity' button at the top of this page. I'm not sure how long it will remain available for view but I just found it there, ICAII.

A bible thumper is not simply a religious person, who has personal beliefs. But, a person who must enforce thier beliefs on others by quoting from the bible, and then interpreting (more like mis-interpreting as every passage has dozens or more different interpretations) it's meaning to bend it to their beliefs.. Then insisting that not only they must follow this narrow minded interpretation, but everyone in the world must follow it also..

Mr. D is the very definition of a Bible thumper. The term came into common usage in the early twenties, as far as I can tell.

Niether old nor far right. But I do enjoy firing up liberals who tell me how wonderful and tolerant they are and why I should take their position, then resort to ad hominem attacks if I challenge them on any single point. I also enjoy firing up conservatives the same way. You see, the problem with the far left and the far right is they are both so intolerant that neither can see anything approaching compromise. This results in a constant battle and a constant lack of progress. Life is not a zero sum game but the extremist on both sides fail to recognize that simple reality. We may or may not agree on things but it's those types of attacks that prevent constructive dialog.

It is good to be called out by a cub scout parent with 3 posts. Your opinion is uniformed......Our council was one of the ones that had a don't ask don't tell policy till this blew up recently.

Pretty simple my man......People are not guns and the guy I know and have spent many nights in the woods and at other scouting events is not a threat.

When I met the man I had no clue he was gay....He became a friend and I determined him to be a great guy interested in the program and making scouting a great experience for his son. When I found out it was too late we were friends and even my ignorant anti gay bias was broken. He was just another guy raisin a son not that unlike me.

So how well do you know your fellow scouters??? How many of them are divorced? what was the reason for the divorce???? Cheating on the spouse??? Beating the spouse????? Are you sure they are not gay or lesbian???? how do you know????

How is a Bible Thumper reverent to others beliefs if he has to enforce their belief on others?.. How are they teaching reverent, if they can not be reverent themselves? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

My unit has been on the receiving end of a lot of bigotry. From the country hicks telling my boys that rwaiting tables in the dinning hall is vocational training for them...To the cracks about watermelon served at lake games night......

How about a couple of my hispanic scouts getting stopped and asked to empty their pockets after leaving a camp trading post very recently.....

Ya know all of us with a bit of color in our skin are just looking for a hand out or to steal what you have....

My stereotyping the scouting community is what I have experienced. While we are welcomed at camps we are not treated as brothers.

Thanks for your kind comments. The response was predictable and of course did not answer my questions as the answers would not help your agenda. I guess those new to posting on the forum should focus on mundane topics to avoid the label of "cub scout parent with 3 posts"
You would be surprised to "learn" that most units are a mirror of society today. We all have single dads, single moms, grandparents and of course economic and racial diversity very much like your own. Not sure that I have ever run across the characterizations that you claim your unit has faced. To a person, scouters have been interested in helping the boys enjoy a safe, fun, and exciting experience at all of the outdoor events. I have had the pleasure witnessing this thru 4 councils in several states.
As for the comment you and twocubdad enjoyed together "a glimpse of the future I 'm afraid"- not sure what you are worried about. Remember that every once in a while a member of the silent majority will enter the vocal minorities space.
I have actually been trying to register for the last 4 months with only recent success. You are directly responsible for my registering as I certainly wanted to respond to the callous discussions and comments regarding children with autism. During the waiting period I have read less than gracious comments about rich packs, children with disabilities. wood badge, right wingers. gay haters, country people, suburban people, religious people, cub scout parent, and the list goes on and on.
Did I get value out of my now fourth post, I suspect I did. Best of luck to you in the future as we all hope that you are able
to pull it together.

Oh so narrow minded......Predictable as you say.

My agenda is to grow the troop and pack. Provide/guide them to a great scouting experience. I really hate all of the adult BS that is required.

Along the way I have learned somethings.
1. White folks treat those of color with suspicion and regional with hatred and fear.
2. When ever anything at a camp is missing or vandalized those of color are blamed first.
3. Adult volunteers are hard to come by.
4. People are people regardless of their color, education, religious background or sexual orientation.
5. Not all gay and lesbian folks are looking for their next conquest.....Honestly, less so than a few adult leaders I have met lusting after the camps life guard.


Bottom line is my boys know we are under the microscope at camp... We have to be better behaved mannered and more polite than the rest.

Now granted, we are a camp with 20 other units and we have problems from 4 or 5 of them..... The CD has address the leaders of a couple and the entire troop in another instance.

Far as pulling it all together....I am good thanks for your concern.

Well that is why I said "more like", as out of the 20 interpretations of the passage, they might have the correct interpretation as the writer intended.. But, then does the writer have the correct interpretation of what God or Jesus intended, or the original writer wrote in the original scrolls... Or is the Bible your reading from a more modernized revision, where the writer revised an English version to be more current English, but in so doing reinterpreted the Bible himself..

So even getting the correct interpretation of what the writer wrote, does not mean you have the correct interpretation...