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  • Scouter Cleary's Avatar
    Scouter Cleary
    Junior Member
    • May 2008
    • 14

    How many to start a troop?

    #1
    04-01-2009, 02:09 PM
    How many people are needed to start a troop? Adults and Scouts...

    I am having a discussion with my DE...I say 5 adults and 3 scouts...

    1 SM, 1 COR/EO, 1 CC, and 2 MC [Member of Committee]

    3 scouts, doesn't matter what age or rank, as long as they are Boy Scout eligible...

    DE says 5 adults and 5 scouts...

    Not that I want to doubt the DE, but there is a new unit that wants to start, they have 2 scouts and 5 leaders...they can get one more scout, but not 3 for another 10 months...
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  • Beavah's Avatar
    Beavah
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2005
    • 7665
    #2
    04-01-2009, 02:13 PM
    Four adults, five scouts.

    COR can dual as either MC or CC. So three there, plus a SM.

    Five scouts has been the national requirement for charterin' a new unit as far back as I can remember.

    Beavah

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    • Scouter Cleary's Avatar
      Scouter Cleary
      Junior Member
      • May 2008
      • 14
      #3
      04-01-2009, 02:58 PM
      Ok, so now I have 3 different opinions...

      me - 3 scouts, 5 adults
      beavah - 4 adults, 5 scouts
      my de - 5 adults, 5 scouts

      but I understand that there can be dual, even tri-registered (EO, COR, CC can be the same person)....

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      • ghermanno's Avatar
        ghermanno
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2006
        • 336
        #4
        04-01-2009, 03:06 PM
        From New Unit Application:

        The Chartered Organization selects one of its members
        to register as chartered organization representative
        who may also serve as chair or as unit committee
        member if needed. All units must have a unit leader
        and a minimum of five paid youth. There must be at
        least three committee members, with one named chair.
        Packs must have a den leader/Webelos den leader/Tiger
        Cub leader who should be registered as an adult in the
        pack. The chartered organization also provides meeting
        facilities for the unit. No one may register in more than
        one position in the same unit, except the chartered
        organization representative.

        That is National's Req.'s

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        • CNYScouter's Avatar
          CNYScouter
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2005
          • 892
          #5
          04-01-2009, 03:07 PM
          An SE can wave the 5 Scout requirement and charter a unit with only 3 Scouts.

          As far as adult postions that need to be on the charter:

          1 - IH (who also can also be any register leader)
          1 - COR (who can also be dual registered as the CC or committee member)
          1 - Scoutmaster
          1 - Committe Chair
          2 - Committee Members

          With the COR/CC or CM dual registration and that the IH is not a registered position and can be a registered leader the minimum number of adults is 4.





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          • asm 411's Avatar
            asm 411
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 222
            #6
            04-01-2009, 03:14 PM
            I would think 5 Scouts simple because "by the book" a patrol is 5 to 8 Scouts. A troop is made up of patrols.

            I would also say it is better to start with 3 than not start at all. Either way a plan for recruiting should be pretty high on the list.

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            • Scouter Cleary's Avatar
              Scouter Cleary
              Junior Member
              • May 2008
              • 14
              #7
              04-01-2009, 03:27 PM
              Ah, that is what I was looking for ghermanno...thanks...I knew that I had the numbers somewhere....

              PEACE!!

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              • sheldonsmom's Avatar
                sheldonsmom
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2008
                • 155
                #8
                04-01-2009, 05:02 PM
                Our council wants 10 boys and 5 adults to charter.

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                • Scouter Cleary's Avatar
                  Scouter Cleary
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2008
                  • 14
                  #9
                  04-01-2009, 07:52 PM
                  That is really just their guideline...I am sure that if you approached the powers that be, they would be a bit more lax on that. Otherwise, ask them to open the inside cover of the New Unit Application and they will see what the requirements are...and I only know thanks to ghermanno...thanks

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                  • Kudu's Avatar
                    Kudu
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 1925
                    #10
                    04-02-2009, 07:26 AM
                    "they have 2 scouts and 5 leaders...they can get one more scout, but not 3 for another 10 months..."

                    How do they know they can't get 3 more Scouts? And why 10 months?

                    If you can find access to a local school during school hours and if you offer old school, down and dirty Scouting (rather than "ethical choices" and business management hyped as "leadership"), 2/3 of sixth-graders will sign up. In turn, 1/3 of them will register as Scouts.

                    See:

                    http://inquiry.net/adult/recruiting.htm

                    The last month of sixth grade is a good time to offer summer camping to boys because most of them are now 12 years old and noticeably more adaptable to the Patrol Method than they were in September.

                    Kudu

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                    • tonys's Avatar
                      tonys
                      Member
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 43
                      #11
                      04-02-2009, 08:17 AM
                      Can I ask a question?
                      Why start a new troop is there no existing troop in the area?
                      Are the existing troops to big?
                      The reason I ask is in my town we have 5 troops and 3 cubpacks. the cub numbers are low per what national says it should be based on our population. the troop numbers are about right. two of the troops in town were started by well meaning people who wanted to be scoutmaster to their kids, then they left The other 3 troops have long history's in town. The troops spend a lot of effort competing for w2's (energy that should be spent on the boys)so I hope you have two many cubs for the troops in your community.
                      YIS

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                      • sheldonsmom's Avatar
                        sheldonsmom
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 155
                        #12
                        04-02-2009, 11:06 AM
                        We are starting a new troop here for the homeschool community. The reasoning behind it? It can be a totally different culture. When a troop has boys that all attend one school, it is very hard for an "outsider" to mesh. We have also encountered hostility from some scouters about home schooling.
                        We are also trying to start a deaf unit. We have a large state school for the deaf here and they are large enough to fill at least one troop, maybe two.

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                        • tonys's Avatar
                          tonys
                          Member
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 43
                          #13
                          04-02-2009, 11:20 AM
                          I hope you did not take offense to my question and I wish you well
                          Yours in Scouting
                          Tony

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                          • jblake47's Avatar
                            jblake47
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 3743
                            #14
                            04-02-2009, 01:46 PM
                            My crew is about half/half public/home schooled and we haven't had any problems. How about a home school patrol within the troop? At least they would be with their friends.

                            Like Venturing, specialty troops have difficulty surviving.

                            Stosh

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                            • asm 411's Avatar
                              asm 411
                              Junior Member
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 222
                              #15
                              04-02-2009, 02:24 PM
                              A home schooled patrol within a troop that is great idea!

                              As one of my Wood Badge tickets I contacted all the Home School networks in my area and offered to present Scouting to them. I mailed, emailed and called. Not one took me up on the offer. I found that surprising because at the time I had a Scout in my Webelos Den that was home schooled and his mom thought Scouting was a way for home schoolers to get some good social interactions they were missing by not going to public schools.

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