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  • captainron14's Avatar
    captainron14
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2003
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    OA Sash Questions

    #1
    06-11-2003, 06:16 PM
    I am a Brotherhood member of the OA. Though until reciently not active until my son was taped out this year.
    At the ordeal, I noticed that there were different sashes. Not just Ordeal, Brotherhood, & Vigel. Different Colors, such as:
    Black Sash w/white arrow
    Red Sash w/white arrow
    Red Sash w/black arrow

    I also noticed all of the above "Beaded".
    And some had the legend on the back of the sash.

    I have called, wrote, and asked everyone from local to national. But NO ONE has given me a good answer. The local lodge has said that they were for ceremony. Some have said that it was for collections only. (The Black w/white arrow was the orginal sash). Others have said it is your choice. (You can get them from Ebay)
    I don't buy the last answer, we wear a uniform for a reason.

    What is authorized for wear? Colors? Where do they come from? Beaded?
    Someone out there has the answer!!!

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  • Bob White's Avatar
    Bob White
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2002
    • 9204
    #2
    06-11-2003, 06:54 PM
    According to the National OA the 3 white sashes with emgroidered red arrows are approved for uniform wear. The others are appropriate for wall display or as collectibles but are not approved for unifrom wear.

    Bob White(This message has been edited by Bob White)

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    • eisely's Avatar
      eisely
      Junior Member
      • Nov 2000
      • 2596
      #3
      06-11-2003, 07:16 PM
      It is my understanding that the black sash with the white arrow was the original sash. I think they were discontinued in the 40's. Under the general principle that one can wear older uniforms until they wear out, I suppose one could wear the older sash if that was what you received when you first inducted. There are probably members still alive who received that sash originally. If somebody is wearing a reproduction, or one that they bought on e-bay, then that is probably a uniform violation.

      I have also seen sashes with various insignia added, including a pictogram representation of the legend on the back. As BW says, these people may be abusing the uniform.

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      • ASM514's Avatar
        ASM514
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        • Jan 2003
        • 52
        #4
        08-06-2003, 10:39 PM
        Bob White is absolutely right! But with Scouting declining in memberships, press not favorable to our cause. And leaders who are not leading but politicizing, what is the harm? If this fires the spirit, and gets them motivated, who cares? I don't. I am sure BSA doesn't either. Get the youth in the program, keep the program alive, keep the program exciting. Bottom line. If it works, use it.

        Since our Venture Crew has adopted black SWAT uniforms as their uniform, this black OA sash for our Venture OA members will be appealing. Remember, Venturers can select their own uniform.

        ASM514

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          ASM514
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          • Jan 2003
          • 52
          #5
          08-06-2003, 10:55 PM
          captainron14, I just showed my son your post. He is our Venturing Crew President and he said if you find a black sash with white arrow to please let me know. He will buy the lot for his crew. Thanks for the post.

          ASM514

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          • captainron14's Avatar
            captainron14
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            • Jun 2003
            • 230
            #6
            08-06-2003, 11:48 PM
            If you would like the Email Address as well as a list that was sent to me, send me a private message and I'll forward it to you or anyone who is interested.
            CR14

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            • acco40's Avatar
              acco40
              Super Moderator
              • Jul 2002
              • 3707
              #7
              08-07-2003, 07:44 AM
              I'm guessing that similar to a MB sash, the OA sash rear may be adorned with OA patches (legend, etc.).

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              • nldscout's Avatar
                nldscout
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2000
                • 1277
                #8
                08-07-2003, 09:07 AM
                If you want the Info on the red and black sashes go to http://www.oa-bsa.org/events/n2000/live/sat/whiteonred.htm

                This explains them

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                • OldGreyEagle's Avatar
                  OldGreyEagle
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                  • Apr 2013
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                  #9
                  08-07-2003, 10:31 AM
                  So if Ventures cant be in the OA, why would the crew be deciding which OA sash to wear?

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                  • btps's Avatar
                    btps
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                    • Nov 2001
                    • 242
                    #10
                    08-07-2003, 10:54 AM
                    Where they members of the OA before they became members of the Venture Crew???

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                    • Overtrained's Avatar
                      Overtrained
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                      • Apr 2003
                      • 158
                      #11
                      08-07-2003, 12:23 PM
                      Excuse Me! "But with Scouting declining in memberships, press not favorable to our cause. And leaders who are not leading but politicizing, what is the harm? If this fires the spirit, and gets them motivated, who cares?"

                      If it is worth doing, it is worth doing right. The ends cannot justify the means. If the members want to propose to national to change the sash - so be it. But until then, there is but the 3 sashes - Ordeal, Brotherhood, and Vigil red arrow on white. Nothing else to be worn on the sash.

                      "Who Cares?" I do.

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                      • nldscout's Avatar
                        nldscout
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2000
                        • 1277
                        #12
                        08-07-2003, 12:42 PM
                        if you look at the article in the link, these were specially made for a select group as a presentation gift, not for normal use by everyone. Us regular folks still get red on white sashes

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                          OldGreyEagle
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                          • Apr 2013
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                          #13
                          08-07-2003, 02:34 PM
                          Since a Venturing Crew Memeber cannot be voted in the OA (as a scout in he troop he may be of course), why would a Venture crew ever wear an AO sash?

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                          • eisely's Avatar
                            eisely
                            Junior Member
                            • Nov 2000
                            • 2596
                            #14
                            08-07-2003, 04:30 PM
                            People in a venture crew, both youth and adult, who may have been inducted in OA in a different setting would, IMHO, be absolutely entitled to wear their sash, and other OA insignia, consistent with the Insignia Guide. Since sashes are generally worn only at OA events, the issue would seem to be moot for venture crew folks.

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                              OldGreyEagle
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                              • Apr 2013
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                              #15
                              08-07-2003, 04:49 PM
                              Thank you Eisely, thats what I was trying to say

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